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The "forced" identity

The article claims that "As a consequence of the outcome of the Wars of Independence though, the English-speaking people of Lothian who lived under the King of Scots had to accept Scottish identity." This cannot be true as in John Barbours poem "The Brus" the soldiers make a statement (put into English) For doubt of death we shall not fail No no pain shall refused be Unitl we have made our country free.' This shows Robert the Bruces men believed that they were Scottish even though they spoke English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goatonorth (talk • contribs) 13:16, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how easily we can relate the modern concept of national identity to that period but three centuries after the generally-accepted date that Lothian came under the sway of the King of Scots, noting the Wars of Independence as decisive in marking the Lowdeners with a Scots identity requires explanation and support at best. The Brus is not a contemporary reportage though and was the remark sepecifically attributed to a Lowdener? Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:59, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Lothian

The article claims that " As a consequence of the outcome of the Wars of Independence though, the English-speaking people of Lothian who lived under the King of Scots had to accept Scottish identity." which is a bit strange as little references exist calling these people anything other than Scottish during those times. Though not contemporary the Bruce by Barber names no difference at all between the Highlands and Lowlands so none between Lothian by that. It needs a reference to prove that they did not identify as Scottish during that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScotCuchullin (talk • contribs) 12:43, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]